Proposed road closures to traffic around Dulwich Village

[janehawkins]

Club members may be interested in this consultation:-

consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/our-healthy-streets-dulwich-phase-3/    

Will impact on those members living locally and those riding to and from Herne Hill Velodrome.  Note proposed road closures apply to cars NOT bikes.

[Ray Cox]

Thanks, I could not make the link work but this might link

[janehawkins]

Thx Ray

[Deleted]

It's a fantastic idea. The area is gridlocked in the morning with large numbers of 4x4s dropping kids off at school. Hopefully this will encourage alternative forms of transport and reduce the pollution levels significantly.

[Sara Barman]

Hmmn might encourage Dulwich village kids to walk/cycle but as 60% is through traffic I wonder if those drivers won’t just be pushed to surrounding roads... or boroughs... really need more joined up action across London.

[Joe R Booth]

Feb 12, 2020 13:08:51 GMT Sara Barman said:

Hmmn might encourage Dulwich village kids to walk/cycle but as 60% is through traffic I wonder if those drivers won’t just be pushed to surrounding roads... or boroughs... really need more joined up action across London.

See here for a discussion of the "traffic evaporation" effect in the context of the Hammersmith Bridge closure.
www.hammersmithbridge.org.uk/p/179/traffic-evaporation

Key point:
This can be summarised as follows: when the road capacity is reduced (in this case, by closing Hammersmith Bridge), the total amount of traffic is also reduced - so it doesn't necessarily all get diverted to other areas. Some of it simply disappears.

And from the linked research:

The findings suggest that predictions of traffic problems are often unnecessarily alarmist, and that, given appropriate local circumstances, significant reductions in overall traffic levels can occur, with people making a far wider range of behavioural responses than has traditionally been assumed.

[justingillott]

Thanks.

If it happens it means I can only find one road to access my house instead of 3. Having to turn on to my road from a busy lordship lane junction that is not safe nor controlled by lights.

The flip side of the coin.

It says 60% of cars pass through which mean if closed they will use other streets. Which means the problem is passed onto others.

[Andy Davidson]

Feb 13, 2020 21:50:42 GMT justingillott said:

Thanks.

If it happens it means I can only find one road to access my house instead of 3. Having to turn on to my road from a busy lordship lane junction that is not safe nor controlled by lights.

The flip side of the coin.

It says 60% of cars pass through which mean if closed they will use other streets. Which means the problem is passed onto others.

See above post from joe. The traffic doesn’t go elsewhere. It goes away.

Make it harder to drive = People find other forms of transport.

Make it easier to drive = you get Los Angeles.

[andrewdowden]

Feb 13, 2020 21:50:42 GMT justingillott said:

Thanks.

If it happens it means I can only find one road to access my house instead of 3. Having to turn on to my road from a busy lordship lane junction that is not safe nor controlled by lights.

 

Justin, maybe you could lobby the council for lights at the junction? 
Just wish that my local council Westminster wasn't so wedded to the car. They're only just trialling 20mph zones and their review of air quality doesn't even involve reducing car journeys! Oh and don't mention the cycle lanes that run on the outside of parked traffic! Westminster should really be restricting car use and encouraging walking, cycling and the use of public transport. London wide car use needs to be significantly reduced, green washing cars by making them run on electricity is not an answer. Hats off to Lambeth and Southwark who seem to be ahead of the game.