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Post by Forum Admin on Oct 16, 2005 21:36:28 GMT
I'm consious that at some point, we will need to draw the various debates to a close, and come to some decisions. How we do that, itself needs a decision... Here's what I propose:
We let the current discussion run on a few days longer, ending week today, Sunday night, 23rd Oct.
I'd like everyone with design ideas to put them forward (I'm aware that Piers / Theo have one that we have not seen yet; Rod likewise), these should include any re-work / updates that their proponents wish to incorporate.
During week commencing 24th Oct, I will try to collate these in the Photos web page and once they are all there, we can set up a Poll and select the most favoured design. We MAY then want another Poll, to decide whether to change to the new design or stay with what we have. Phew. Who ever said democracy was going to be easy.
If anyone objects to the above, let me know... but be prepared for some counter-balancing autocracy at this stage!
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Post by Kenneth Foreman on Oct 18, 2005 18:37:21 GMT
One question: Will Dan be given the opportunity to revisit his original design(s) and offer up some alternatives based on some of the points made at the original meeting and on this message board?
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Post by Forum Admin on Oct 18, 2005 21:12:26 GMT
Absolutely!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2005 13:19:29 GMT
I think we really ought to be thinking about making a decision on this fairly shortly if the kit is going to be available for the start of next season. - Bob, any chance of organising a club meeting at which a decision will be made?
- It has been pointed out that an online vote is too open to abuse, so a meeting will be needed;
- Do we use a simple majority vote or voting rounds with one elimated in each subsequent round until there is a winner? The former could polarise views; the latter could produce a compromise which no one really likes;
- There should always be a Do Nothing option to vote for;
- We will probably also need to decide about what to do with the stock of existing kit - could we sell it at a discount and use club funds to make up any losses?
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Post by Kenneth Foreman on Nov 5, 2005 13:20:57 GMT
Just to be clear about this. What will we be voting on? Are the kit proposals submitted so far the final designs or are they the basis for further design changes? There was some debate, for example, about the size and position of the Crystal Palace transmitter logo on the "pimpy" Belgian kit. I agree also with Phil that there should be a "do nothing" option. Would it be possible Bob to upload the current kit design on to the website so people could compare and contrast the various design proposals.
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Post by chamoniards on Nov 5, 2005 16:55:18 GMT
Phil is right, a meeting very soon would be a good idea as decision making is starting to drag on. Sometime in the next couple of weeks would be ideal. I think that the design proposals we have so far are good enough for us to make a decision on, with my impression being that most people have made up their mind already which one they would like to see go forward.
No doubt whichever design we choose at the meeting there will inevitably have to be some relatively minor changes just to address the limitations of printing. James, you've been in contact with the sportful rep, do you think that we'd be able to get him along to the meeting to comment on the practicality of some of the designs, or even bring some samples of their stuff with him?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2005 14:14:05 GMT
I have spoken to the Sportful Rep about the process from here and also to try and get some feedback on designs etc.
The most important thing is that he's agreed to come along to a club meeting to discuss things in more details, bring samples etc - so can we get a timetable for a decision process agreed and then get a date for a follow up meeting set in the diary? I'm concerned that otherwise we'll be into Christmas and still no nearer making a decision.
The process as I understand it is that we will submit a design which then get sent to Italy where their pattern cutters will prepare samples of each of the panel pieces which are sent to us to agree, colour, size of text etc. Once this is agreed then they go into manufacture which takes 6 – 8 weeks. So we need to get our skates on.
I understand that the intention is to have some form of vote on the designs and I do not want to prejudice that in any way. Some general comments re designs were as follows:
Jersey’s made up from a front and back panel, side panels and arms. Side panels are not generally as wide as shown in some of the drawings – it was accepted that this was artistic interpretation. That being said, side panels would be wide enough to have text as shown in some of the designs.
Shorts. Generally advice was against light coloured shorts as these are highly susceptible to marking from general wear and tear. In other words, black saddles are likely to mark light shorts. Due to the way shorts are stitched it would not be possible to have logos on the rear as shown in some of the designs.
James
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Post by chamoniards on Nov 7, 2005 18:52:41 GMT
Thanks for sorting all of that out James. We do really need to get a move on. I wonder when exactly we need to register the new design for next season, I guess it's before the new year, does anyone know?
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 8, 2005 19:52:31 GMT
Yes, the "deadline" is the end of this month. This is only in the sense that we get a fairly well discounted re-affiliation fee ahead of this date, which we may as well take advantage of.
I will crack on to call a meeting, etc. Apologies not being able to move more quickly, but not long back from a short break and come down with a rotten cold now...
I think that aside from the potential for abuse on a web poll, there is that fact that it would drag a long time if we wanted to do it 'elimination style'. The Tory party way does have the advantage of being able to re-assign your preference if your ideal choice does not get through in an early round.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2005 6:03:40 GMT
James, I have to disagree with you on the light shorts. I have never found that they get grubby and modern saddles don't 'leak' the dye in the way the old leather ones might have done. My last club had red shorts and this was certainly never an issue. If people want black shorts they could always buy a pair of plain ones anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2005 7:44:01 GMT
mate - I'm just passing on other people's advice
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 9, 2005 20:24:28 GMT
Right. Conscious of the eagerness to move on and conclude The Great Jersey Debate, I have proposed a meeting as follows: Monday 21st November – 7:30pm to start at 8pm Conservatory of the Crown & Greyhound, Dulwich Village. I will bring copies / pictures of all designs put forward and voting slips. We will do it the Tory party way; slightly tedious but probably as fair as we are going to get. We have considered an on-line poll, but there are two concerns over this: one is that it could be open to abuse (though I would judge our members to be above that sort of thing!); the other is just the time it would take.
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Post by Kevin on Nov 9, 2005 22:03:14 GMT
Could we forward the sportful rep some jpegs of the potential design for him to have a look at before the meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2005 7:22:54 GMT
already done that - hence the advice that was passed on in my earlier post.
We should also arrange a follow up meeting after a decision has been made to go through things with Sportful. Can we set a date for the following Monday perhaps?
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Post by Kevin on Nov 10, 2005 18:45:02 GMT
A decision will hopefully be made on the 21st, how about doing it that evening? By the way, it's my birthday that day so if anyone feels like buying me a beer that evening, please feel free!
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