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Post by chamoniards on Oct 11, 2005 19:19:44 GMT
It's very quiet on here given yesterday's unveiling of Dan's designs at the meeting and the pretty intense debate that followed. Dan's put in a lot of hard work on the design and I think it'd good to give him plenty of feedback through the forum. Bob will be posting the images of the design up on the website soon so those not at the meeting can see them.
It occurred to me after the meeting that it may be difficult technically to print a horizontal band onto lycra shorts. Most shorts seem to have a printed panel that runs down the leg, or sometimes across the back, currently on our kit this panel is white and then printed with text and the same blue as the rest of the shorts. Which makes me think that they would have to cut the shorts with a separate horizintal band around the leg in order to get the design to wrap around, this might be difficult or expensive for them to do as it would be non standard. I think it'd be good if we could find out how this could affect the design before it goes too far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2005 20:30:34 GMT
Changing kit is always going to polarise opinion, especially when the change is so radical. We saw a little of that last night.
What I took away from yesterday t is that we need to find a compromise between good, classic and stylish design with practicality. Essentially the kit needs to be distinctive, easy to spot and identify both within race situations and 'leisure' riding. I would also ask that the design be not too much of a departure from our current kit. Many of us will continue to wear this kit out of competition so there does need to be some continuity.
Certainly Dan needs to be congratulated and thanked for all his hard work and with coming up with some very innovative design ideas. However, I do think we need step back and give the consultation period some time and open the floor to other ideas. I'm not suggesting that the kit should be designed by committee. That would be the worst possible method and more than likely to result in a hotch-potch mess of a design. But we do need to be open to other ideas and design solutions.
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Post by Forum Admin on Oct 11, 2005 20:33:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 6:16:55 GMT
ive just had a look at the new kit and it strikes me as being a realy fresh change from the old style, and a lot more up to date........ but then again i wont be the one wearing it.
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Post by howard c on Oct 12, 2005 8:36:44 GMT
The design is refreshing and looks smart but colour arrangement might be looked at with a lighter overall effect - maybe the background being the lighter blue.
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Post by SeanMcKibben on Oct 12, 2005 9:01:49 GMT
Nice looking kit - very stylish. Surely we need to have 'dulwich paragon' on the back as well though? We don't want to be completely anonymous in the bunch! Also, if the back and the front are differnet, it hikes the price up considerably as they have to do more artwork and print them separately.
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Post by SeanMcKibben on Oct 12, 2005 9:04:37 GMT
The same probably goes for the shorts - will be expensive if legs aren't the same.
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Post by Hassan Hadi on Oct 12, 2005 9:31:01 GMT
The new kit looks very smart and classic at the same time - much better than the current design. Couldn't we just get a quote first and then start worrying about the cost? My only reservation is the fact that the name of the club is not too prominent in the design.
Hassan
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Post by Nigel Wood on Oct 12, 2005 9:34:38 GMT
Speaking as one of the 'senior' members this will be the fourth kit redesign that Bob and I will have been through. Each time it has been a bit like giving birth - messy, difficult and painful but the result is generally worthwhile. Dan deserves a vote of thanks for taking the initiative and coming up with some quality designs.
I agree with Karen about the need to reflect and I would suggest we try and agree some general principles for the design team to follow. It's important to get it right so here are a few suggestions for starters based on some of the comments made at the meeting;
- Colour - are we sticking with dk blue / lt blue / gold. They have been the clubs colours since the dawn of time but we need to agree it. If so which colour should dominate - Belgian blue seems popular (but maybe not for shorts?). White (grey by February) seemed to get the thumbs down. - Lifespan. We should aim to get at least 3 years out of it. Should be classic but maybe not too retro - Other clubs. Make sure we do not clash with local clubs. We need to stand out & the present kit fits the bill by being distinctive from other SEL club kits - Sponsorship. This has been looked at in the past & as there was at least one potential sponsor at the meeting. Should we at least consider it? We have lost riders in the past to sponsored clubs tempted away by free wheels and kit but then again they have usually dropped out of cycling completely within 2 seasons. - Appearance 'in action'. The design needs to take into account how it will look in a racing position, numbers on pockets or possibly upper backs (photo finishes). The back of shorts is used by lots of pro teams for lettering. Personal view - vertical lines on shorts look better than horizontal (leaving aside manufacturing problems) - Reflective material - should it have some? - The colours should look ok on pasty northern europeans - The design must look good on female and male riders but a good quality manufacturer will help.
Final thought. Bob said we need to register the design and colours with BC before next season. Allowing for agreeing designs, manufacture etc a timetable is probably needed.
Over to the membership!
Nigel
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Post by RichardJ on Oct 12, 2005 10:28:14 GMT
I think basic design is really good but could we have the logo and the name on the back as well?
I would just like to voice my concerns at the prospect of being sponsored. It just seems like a short cut to ruining a good design and wasting Dan’s hard work. Do we really need to be sponsored?
Richard
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 10:44:55 GMT
To add to the comments already made:
Shouldn't we have the club name on back of shirt and side panels so it can be seen in all racing situations?
I would prefer a lighter blue than the current dark blue option. I accept that the dark blue does look rather classy but it really isn't bright or distinct enough to be spotted in a bunch. Also, I do find it rather 'cold'
I am not convinced that a half band on the front is a particularly flattering design for women. I leave you boys to work out what I'm talking about and I'm sure Julene and Claire will back me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 10:48:48 GMT
First thing i would like to say is many thanks to Dan for all the hard work on the designs,
Sponsorship is an area i think we should look at! This could reduce the cost's/ maybe even offer the guys/girls who race free kit.
Most other club kits seems to be sponsored!
just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2005 11:11:22 GMT
I think the asymmetrical design is great, and the deep blue and bright yellow work really well. I agree we need the club name on the back. I think it might look good to add "cycling club" on a single line below Dulwich Paragon. I'm completely against sponsorship, I love the clean look of a self funded club jersey free of logos. Some form of vertical stripe(s) might be good as an alternative the the horizontal block, I've always liked the stripe on these caps imageevent.com/dulwichparagon/dunwichdynamo?p=3&n=1&m=24&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=2
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Post by julene on Oct 12, 2005 11:33:03 GMT
Love the caps Julian but we really must get some better models! The one on the right is gurning.
I am with Karen on the issue of the anatomical peculiarities of girls and how those would interact with the new design. A consensus seems to be emerging that the club name and/or logo also needs to appear elsewhere on the shirt, and if it does it wouldn't matter so much that with the new design as it is the one place the club name does appear could potentially be distorted by boob.
For my part, I am really fond of our current lary colours and would love to see some continuity, especially if those colours have been around for a while.
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Post by Claire on Oct 12, 2005 11:56:29 GMT
Hiya, I think the model on the right always looks like that I would like Paragonettes written on the back of my jersey please. The design looks fab, would need to see what it looks like on the female model.
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